Carl, I have a great deal of respect for what you and Tom and others are trying to do, and have done over the years. But these days I keep tripping up on this question: when will the tools of EBM be deployed on the important questions surrounding the *concept* of a 'pandemic' and how we supposedly know things about it? Despite a great deal of very welcome skepticism about detection and monitoring methods and media scaremongering, you continue to use phrases like 'the pandemic' and 'the next pandemic' as if they unproblematically referred to an objective reality that everyone can agree on. Meanwhile, much of the damage to human life from 2020 on was due not to the impact of viral infection but to the impact of reckless public health policies, as you and many others have helped to show. While well-designed and honest RCTs are always a good thing, evaluating different responses within what looks very much like a manufactured crisis, or at the very least an epidemic of human error, is a lot like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Unimpressed with the idea of reducing informed consent - thin edge of the wedge, and pharma will drive the wedge home.
I thought we had a pandemic plan pre 2019, that went right out the window when covid hit. Won't these new protocols be just the same.
Taking classroom ventilation as an example, surely that doesn't need informed consent. But, when the next pandemic hits we will be short of ventilation fans and people to install, my local secondary school is 10 form entry ie 10 classrooms per year ie 50 classroom plus others rooms which will be the governing criteria for implementation of the protocol. Don't even think of installing them now - nobody is going to buy that deal with the current budgets. It will be the same for other NPI
Wrt to closing schools, other criteria than the infection should be used ie staff unavailable.
I have little faith in NPI achieving any benefit, except by chance; but then again I have little faith in the gene therapy, much prefer to rely on my immune system, enhanced by vitamin D- 5000units/day not the NHS inadequate dosing, sleep etc and common sense ie keep exposure as low as possible; and apply a strong cynical input to my decision making, because the advice that will be handed out will be for the benefit of others eg protect the NHS or to drive vaxx sales
Getting ready for the next plandemic! I thought there already were 150 studies on masks? And using PCR to find "cases" - especiallly asymptomatic people, should be banned. Social distancing 6ft was just made up by Fauci. "Bubbles" caused great hardship to many who were excluded. I have just listened to part 1 of David A Hughes narration of Ch 2 of his book on Nazis and Wall Street re March 2020 and the similarities should open eyes.
Can we learn retrospectively from the data we have? Different countries did different things? I know the data will include lots of confounding factors, but with enough numbers something useful may be found?
I also think the issue of consent is important. Fiddling with that has potential for harm.
Thank you for posting this interview and bringing back the sense of enthusiasm we felt when this movement started. I remember asking, “How do we know …?” And, “How certain are we?” In many cases querying the epistemology of medical dogma.
Pioneers in EBM such as Sir Ian and others mentioned in the interview (and indeed the interviewers) brought these questions to bear on how we practice. Thank you!
And, we used to think it was all about science. Was that really happening in Banff? Wish I were there. Only once passed through Banff on the train. Thank you for pointer to the Iain Chalmers conversation. I used to live round the corner from Middle Way. Odd coincidences.
Carl, I have a great deal of respect for what you and Tom and others are trying to do, and have done over the years. But these days I keep tripping up on this question: when will the tools of EBM be deployed on the important questions surrounding the *concept* of a 'pandemic' and how we supposedly know things about it? Despite a great deal of very welcome skepticism about detection and monitoring methods and media scaremongering, you continue to use phrases like 'the pandemic' and 'the next pandemic' as if they unproblematically referred to an objective reality that everyone can agree on. Meanwhile, much of the damage to human life from 2020 on was due not to the impact of viral infection but to the impact of reckless public health policies, as you and many others have helped to show. While well-designed and honest RCTs are always a good thing, evaluating different responses within what looks very much like a manufactured crisis, or at the very least an epidemic of human error, is a lot like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Unimpressed with the idea of reducing informed consent - thin edge of the wedge, and pharma will drive the wedge home.
I thought we had a pandemic plan pre 2019, that went right out the window when covid hit. Won't these new protocols be just the same.
Taking classroom ventilation as an example, surely that doesn't need informed consent. But, when the next pandemic hits we will be short of ventilation fans and people to install, my local secondary school is 10 form entry ie 10 classrooms per year ie 50 classroom plus others rooms which will be the governing criteria for implementation of the protocol. Don't even think of installing them now - nobody is going to buy that deal with the current budgets. It will be the same for other NPI
Wrt to closing schools, other criteria than the infection should be used ie staff unavailable.
I have little faith in NPI achieving any benefit, except by chance; but then again I have little faith in the gene therapy, much prefer to rely on my immune system, enhanced by vitamin D- 5000units/day not the NHS inadequate dosing, sleep etc and common sense ie keep exposure as low as possible; and apply a strong cynical input to my decision making, because the advice that will be handed out will be for the benefit of others eg protect the NHS or to drive vaxx sales
There was no pandemic, just testing, testing,testing…
And lies
Getting ready for the next plandemic! I thought there already were 150 studies on masks? And using PCR to find "cases" - especiallly asymptomatic people, should be banned. Social distancing 6ft was just made up by Fauci. "Bubbles" caused great hardship to many who were excluded. I have just listened to part 1 of David A Hughes narration of Ch 2 of his book on Nazis and Wall Street re March 2020 and the similarities should open eyes.
Can we learn retrospectively from the data we have? Different countries did different things? I know the data will include lots of confounding factors, but with enough numbers something useful may be found?
I also think the issue of consent is important. Fiddling with that has potential for harm.
Thank you for posting this interview and bringing back the sense of enthusiasm we felt when this movement started. I remember asking, “How do we know …?” And, “How certain are we?” In many cases querying the epistemology of medical dogma.
Pioneers in EBM such as Sir Ian and others mentioned in the interview (and indeed the interviewers) brought these questions to bear on how we practice. Thank you!
And, we used to think it was all about science. Was that really happening in Banff? Wish I were there. Only once passed through Banff on the train. Thank you for pointer to the Iain Chalmers conversation. I used to live round the corner from Middle Way. Odd coincidences.