I don't think MHRA are reading TTE. June Raine gave evidence to the UK Covid Inquiry 22 January. She would have been coached/dry run by the MHRA barrister, lets say the Friday previous. EWG minutes were removed Saturday 18 January (NB working Saturday must be urgent/panic).
At the Inquiry she states that she was not aware that there were two manufacturing Processes - Process 1 for the trial product and Process 2 for the roll-out. The barrister recognises the significance of this omission; the removal of the minutes is a late attempt at obscuration. Raine is under oath at the Inquiry, and to her credit answers truthfully. https://tinyurl.com/3xapsmy4
I am suspicious, nonetheless, of people who preface their answer with "it is my understanding". After all, the integrity issue had been aired (e.g. by Dr Yeadon) since 2021 and for many months. She may have believed something else, but she simply must have known about the issue.
I recall PM Brown being recalled to the Chilcott Committee to "clarify" a statement he had made that was plainly false. This is far more important: June Raine should clearly be recalled.
Regarding the Minutes, I think there must be embarrassment, at the very least, of a failure to follow normal process (e.g. committee must agree minutes as a true record and follow up points raised).
Process 1 and 2 is a bit of a red herring, as there were vaccine injuries in the clinical trial that were not reported (or incorrectly described) to hide the severity.
This sounds to me like a way for the powers that be to say they had a good product in the first place and the issue was scaling up production. I’m not buying it. It was a terrible, dangerous product from the start.
and your comment "Process 1 and 2 is a bit of a red herring" totally ignores the DNA contamination issues that; like the large and fermenting E Coli vats of Process 2, have also been bubbling away merrily
Sure, but just because process 2 may be worse doesn’t mean process 1 isn’t terrible. These products are not safe and should be pulled off the market immediately.
Agreed. The entire mod-mRNA/LNP platform is harmful, no matter which mRNA it is. Furthermore it is _not a vaccine, it is a transfection. And should be called transfection. A vaccine is a measured amount of poison. A transfection turns your own body into a poison factory. The latter is evil under every circumstance, designed to harm.
On the other hand, if you had an mRNA gun such that, say, you could cut someone open and fire the mRNA into a cancer only, nowhere else. That might actually work. Transfection always causes the immune system to attack the transfected cell.
Brian - your timeline makes some sense. No-one would have told her the difference between process 1 & process 2. Why would she think there had to be a difference? She wouldn’t have asked.
(slightly different I know but I have experience between test kitchen recipe development & scale up for large scale manufacturing & know there would have to have been adjustments).
I hope her answers ‘under oath’ - that magic phrase - are truthful. How can we be really sure with so much at stake? It’s not that I’m cynical but I’ve become less trusting. Haven’t we all?
I wouldn’t be able to say. Imagine you would have to prove it was - in effect - a different product. The devil is in the detail. And don’t forget the ‘emergency authorisation’?
Joshua Guetzkow PhD. was interviewed by many on this; many, many ..
"succinctly explained how Pfizer/BioNTech conducted a “bait-and-switch” of their biological product that went on to be injected into the arms of billions.
A key takeaway from the interview was that the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA product rolled out to the masses was not the same one tested in Pfizer’s pivotal clinical and non-clinical trials (animal studies).
This is because the commercially rolled out product was made using an entirely different method/process. Guetzkow, categorically stated, when it comes to biological products: “The process is the product.”"
thanks Hills; great we get to chat to each other here on this channel; Hedley Rees, with a long background in pharma manufacturing says the same thing; Hedley too has an excellent substack
"The process is the product.”
you can read more about the two different processes; and poor old MHRA says they did not know.
PPE at Exeter University and a career in investment banking did not prepare Sir Saj for the role of Secretary of State for Health and Social Care as his damning admission about the Yellow Card Scheme proves. Perhaps his only qualification for that role was his mastery of the Tory Power Pose.
Perhaps the power pose is credible….force millions and millions of people to be injected with an experimental substance, make them observe bizarre rituals - green light go for shop entry, live in socially constructed bubbles, keep 2.5m apart, wear plastic visors and masks of any material - ensure socialising, cuddling, singing, dancing, kissing and fraternising are verboten. Forbid marriages, funerals, visiting dying relatives….being outside for longer than absurd governmental diktats changing frequently and irrationally at whim…..sounds like our very own home grown dictator. Mmm…..with great power…apparently comes no accountability.
To be fair to Sir Saj he wasn’t in the cabinet between February 2020 and June 2021, so a lot of that stuff isn’t on him. I recall that some of my friends in the City were confident that when appointed to DHSC, he would align with the few in the cabinet who supported getting Britain back to work. On that he was a great disappointment, supporting further lockdowns and the health workers vaccine mandate.
It is invigorating to see the tone of you Old Geezers changing as the madness of the Covid response becomes impossible for respected professors to accept.
I don't like being unkind, but I do like to strive for accuracy and truth. I do think, and I hope its not too unkind and is true, that most politicians, and perhaps pharmaceutical execs, are a combination of things. One is being unwilling to think critically and ask tough questions afraid of what the answers might be, and knowing that critical analysis is hard and takes time. Also, when faced with what is, this is costly to one's pre-conceived ideas of what should be, and what was desired, or what was easier to spin for the public. Accordingly, critical analysis and truth present many dangers, as to politicians and government bodies specifically. Thus, a kernal of truth is found in a saying I learned years ago from a wise person, 'Politicans are a lot like diapers; you must change them often and generally for the same reason.'
Yet another example of those giving opinions on issues they know nothing about. Isn't the civil service there for that very purpose. It doesn't help when those who are charged with the safeguarding are dependant on the groups they're charged with overseeing.
The population are assumed to trust the system to keep them safe but covid ended that .And Hallett isn't opening any wounds.
The US did not require clinical trials because they had an Emergency Use Authorisation. Britain did not require one because we preemptively adopted the attitude, if it is OK for Americans then it is surely OK for us. The we passed the covering legislation later. Well it was an emergency you know.
"Sir Sajid Javid, .., told the Hallett Inquiry he “was not aware of the Yellow Card scheme”. No one told or briefed him, and he, as a politician, could not be expected to know of its existence and unreliability. "
goodness me; goodness me
the man at the pub has always said to me he was worried right from the start that there could be .. ahem .. polite cough .. "complications" from these magnificent and safe and effective injections; if he could so quickly see that, how tragic that it never occurred to Sir Sajid "weren't me guv"
https://tinyurl.com/s2fh6k7s Biden and Trump fund mRNA in the last week - to me this is the controlling hand and why we are in lockstep - UK politicians without gonads - Fauci given a pardon for unspecified 'crimes', fits in perfectly.
Consider Novo Nordisk (largely unknown to me) apparently the 2nd largest pharma in the world .It has a market value greater than the annual GDP of its host, Denmark.
Set to rise more due to its miracle weight shedding, diabetes curing miracle drug - Wegovy. -
My mum has been put on it's sister drug, Ozempic. She can't eat. Can't leave the house for long because if she does manage to eat, she needs the loo in minutes. It's awful.
friends of ours in NZ were telling me they have just had episodes 3 and 4 screened on tv of "Mr Bates and the PO"; these things all seem to run from the same playbook as the MHRA/UKSHA stuff; (and of course the terribly tragic tale of drive shafts and axles that has caused so much grief); once folks ascend to these dizzying heights; automated secrecy and whatever else become the script and narrative? whilst espousing values of "transparency"
"Dear MHRA, when you read this, please publish a second version of the minutes as promised so we can compare them. It will be great fun!"
I wonder could we be optimistic and feel they will take away all the black bits from the versions of the minutes were allowed to see; after all, it was 4 years ago; 4 yrs is a long time in politics;
I was very surprised when I looked through the minutes that you kindly linked us to; to see how many black bits there were: sort of like the cat had overturned the ink pot and it had run over the entire page; "sit still, kitty, sit still .. naughty cat .." we await with optimism the unredacted and cleansed new versions; it may have been their New Year's resolutions; "be more transparent"
Brilliant.
But hopefully "Aurevoir" rather than "Bye"!
What could we do without our regular Old Geezer Wisdom doses?
Has there been a proper trial?
I don't think MHRA are reading TTE. June Raine gave evidence to the UK Covid Inquiry 22 January. She would have been coached/dry run by the MHRA barrister, lets say the Friday previous. EWG minutes were removed Saturday 18 January (NB working Saturday must be urgent/panic).
At the Inquiry she states that she was not aware that there were two manufacturing Processes - Process 1 for the trial product and Process 2 for the roll-out. The barrister recognises the significance of this omission; the removal of the minutes is a late attempt at obscuration. Raine is under oath at the Inquiry, and to her credit answers truthfully. https://tinyurl.com/3xapsmy4
I am suspicious, nonetheless, of people who preface their answer with "it is my understanding". After all, the integrity issue had been aired (e.g. by Dr Yeadon) since 2021 and for many months. She may have believed something else, but she simply must have known about the issue.
I recall PM Brown being recalled to the Chilcott Committee to "clarify" a statement he had made that was plainly false. This is far more important: June Raine should clearly be recalled.
Regarding the Minutes, I think there must be embarrassment, at the very least, of a failure to follow normal process (e.g. committee must agree minutes as a true record and follow up points raised).
Police Investigation? Did Pfizer conceal? Did MHRA fail?
Any deaths attributal to unauthorised product?
Process 1 and 2 is a bit of a red herring, as there were vaccine injuries in the clinical trial that were not reported (or incorrectly described) to hide the severity.
This sounds to me like a way for the powers that be to say they had a good product in the first place and the issue was scaling up production. I’m not buying it. It was a terrible, dangerous product from the start.
I do note Dr Clare Craig commented "This manufacturing shift resulted in significantly higher rates of adverse reactions – 13 times more in some cases – representing a regulatory failure with profound implications for public trust and safety." https://ukreloaded.com/untested-the-mass-produced-covid-vaccines-that-skipped-clinical-trials/
I have found Dr Craig to be very well informed
and your comment "Process 1 and 2 is a bit of a red herring" totally ignores the DNA contamination issues that; like the large and fermenting E Coli vats of Process 2, have also been bubbling away merrily
Sure, but just because process 2 may be worse doesn’t mean process 1 isn’t terrible. These products are not safe and should be pulled off the market immediately.
"should be pulled off the market immediately"
indeed;
Agreed. The entire mod-mRNA/LNP platform is harmful, no matter which mRNA it is. Furthermore it is _not a vaccine, it is a transfection. And should be called transfection. A vaccine is a measured amount of poison. A transfection turns your own body into a poison factory. The latter is evil under every circumstance, designed to harm.
On the other hand, if you had an mRNA gun such that, say, you could cut someone open and fire the mRNA into a cancer only, nowhere else. That might actually work. Transfection always causes the immune system to attack the transfected cell.
Brian - your timeline makes some sense. No-one would have told her the difference between process 1 & process 2. Why would she think there had to be a difference? She wouldn’t have asked.
(slightly different I know but I have experience between test kitchen recipe development & scale up for large scale manufacturing & know there would have to have been adjustments).
I hope her answers ‘under oath’ - that magic phrase - are truthful. How can we be really sure with so much at stake? It’s not that I’m cynical but I’ve become less trusting. Haven’t we all?
Hill's, So we are injected with an unauthorised product, how can it be authorised by MHRA if no trial of that product. Is that assault?
I wouldn’t be able to say. Imagine you would have to prove it was - in effect - a different product. The devil is in the detail. And don’t forget the ‘emergency authorisation’?
"you would have to prove it was - in effect - a different product."
https://www.soniaelijah.com/p/pfizerbiontechs-bait-and-switch
Joshua Guetzkow PhD. was interviewed by many on this; many, many ..
"succinctly explained how Pfizer/BioNTech conducted a “bait-and-switch” of their biological product that went on to be injected into the arms of billions.
A key takeaway from the interview was that the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA product rolled out to the masses was not the same one tested in Pfizer’s pivotal clinical and non-clinical trials (animal studies).
This is because the commercially rolled out product was made using an entirely different method/process. Guetzkow, categorically stated, when it comes to biological products: “The process is the product.”"
sadly in substack one cannot add bold parentheses
from here https://brownstone.org/articles/contaminated-weve-been-their-lab-rats-all-along/
Absolutely fascinating. Thankyou. I wasn’t aware of this extraordinary correspondence.
thanks Hills; great we get to chat to each other here on this channel; Hedley Rees, with a long background in pharma manufacturing says the same thing; Hedley too has an excellent substack
"The process is the product.”
you can read more about the two different processes; and poor old MHRA says they did not know.
PPE at Exeter University and a career in investment banking did not prepare Sir Saj for the role of Secretary of State for Health and Social Care as his damning admission about the Yellow Card Scheme proves. Perhaps his only qualification for that role was his mastery of the Tory Power Pose.
The Sun explains here
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6183012/tory-power-pose-stance-sajid-javid-theresa-may-george-osborne/
Perhaps the power pose is credible….force millions and millions of people to be injected with an experimental substance, make them observe bizarre rituals - green light go for shop entry, live in socially constructed bubbles, keep 2.5m apart, wear plastic visors and masks of any material - ensure socialising, cuddling, singing, dancing, kissing and fraternising are verboten. Forbid marriages, funerals, visiting dying relatives….being outside for longer than absurd governmental diktats changing frequently and irrationally at whim…..sounds like our very own home grown dictator. Mmm…..with great power…apparently comes no accountability.
To be fair to Sir Saj he wasn’t in the cabinet between February 2020 and June 2021, so a lot of that stuff isn’t on him. I recall that some of my friends in the City were confident that when appointed to DHSC, he would align with the few in the cabinet who supported getting Britain back to work. On that he was a great disappointment, supporting further lockdowns and the health workers vaccine mandate.
Whoever called him Savage Jabber deserves the Nobel Prize for Poetry.
I always knew him as Seeit Jabbit 🤭
Keep fighting the good fight, Tom.
It is invigorating to see the tone of you Old Geezers changing as the madness of the Covid response becomes impossible for respected professors to accept.
I don't like being unkind, but I do like to strive for accuracy and truth. I do think, and I hope its not too unkind and is true, that most politicians, and perhaps pharmaceutical execs, are a combination of things. One is being unwilling to think critically and ask tough questions afraid of what the answers might be, and knowing that critical analysis is hard and takes time. Also, when faced with what is, this is costly to one's pre-conceived ideas of what should be, and what was desired, or what was easier to spin for the public. Accordingly, critical analysis and truth present many dangers, as to politicians and government bodies specifically. Thus, a kernal of truth is found in a saying I learned years ago from a wise person, 'Politicans are a lot like diapers; you must change them often and generally for the same reason.'
God bless Judge Mark Pittman.
Yet another example of those giving opinions on issues they know nothing about. Isn't the civil service there for that very purpose. It doesn't help when those who are charged with the safeguarding are dependant on the groups they're charged with overseeing.
The population are assumed to trust the system to keep them safe but covid ended that .And Hallett isn't opening any wounds.
Or asking any awkward questions it seems.
Found this article yesterday . The sheer volume and scope of articles here at times are way above my understanding.
If TTE have already covered everything, apologies.
https://ukreloaded.com/untested-the-mass-produced-covid-vaccines-that-skipped-clinical-trials/
The US did not require clinical trials because they had an Emergency Use Authorisation. Britain did not require one because we preemptively adopted the attitude, if it is OK for Americans then it is surely OK for us. The we passed the covering legislation later. Well it was an emergency you know.
Maurice,
First do no harm, must always apply ! Emergency, man made emergency IMO.
"Sir Sajid Javid, .., told the Hallett Inquiry he “was not aware of the Yellow Card scheme”. No one told or briefed him, and he, as a politician, could not be expected to know of its existence and unreliability. "
goodness me; goodness me
the man at the pub has always said to me he was worried right from the start that there could be .. ahem .. polite cough .. "complications" from these magnificent and safe and effective injections; if he could so quickly see that, how tragic that it never occurred to Sir Sajid "weren't me guv"
A couple of very interesting articles on TCW (The Conservative Woman)
https://tinyurl.com/mprnjwdz Dr Clare Craig on MHRA
https://tinyurl.com/s2fh6k7s Biden and Trump fund mRNA in the last week - to me this is the controlling hand and why we are in lockstep - UK politicians without gonads - Fauci given a pardon for unspecified 'crimes', fits in perfectly.
thanks; a tragic tale; endless pleas of "didn't know" and "wasn't me, guv" and "nah mate, it was me dog"
one has to muse: were they really that ignorant; and behind them, were there souls who knew?
Whilst ever bigpharma is so powerful, never.
Consider Novo Nordisk (largely unknown to me) apparently the 2nd largest pharma in the world .It has a market value greater than the annual GDP of its host, Denmark.
Set to rise more due to its miracle weight shedding, diabetes curing miracle drug - Wegovy. -
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/26/wegovy-maker-novo-nordisk-rebuked-by-watchdog-over-failure-to-disclose-payments-to-uk-health-groups
Sorry it's the Guardian.
TTE has some interesting thoughts on the efficacy and safety of this latest bigpharma saving the NHS loads of cash miracle.
My mum has been put on it's sister drug, Ozempic. She can't eat. Can't leave the house for long because if she does manage to eat, she needs the loo in minutes. It's awful.
Oh what a lovely Sunday battle cry….a call to arms….thank you!
Goodbye? What have I missed or dismissed from memory?
friends of ours in NZ were telling me they have just had episodes 3 and 4 screened on tv of "Mr Bates and the PO"; these things all seem to run from the same playbook as the MHRA/UKSHA stuff; (and of course the terribly tragic tale of drive shafts and axles that has caused so much grief); once folks ascend to these dizzying heights; automated secrecy and whatever else become the script and narrative? whilst espousing values of "transparency"
"Dear MHRA, when you read this, please publish a second version of the minutes as promised so we can compare them. It will be great fun!"
I wonder could we be optimistic and feel they will take away all the black bits from the versions of the minutes were allowed to see; after all, it was 4 years ago; 4 yrs is a long time in politics;
I was very surprised when I looked through the minutes that you kindly linked us to; to see how many black bits there were: sort of like the cat had overturned the ink pot and it had run over the entire page; "sit still, kitty, sit still .. naughty cat .." we await with optimism the unredacted and cleansed new versions; it may have been their New Year's resolutions; "be more transparent"